teddywolf: (Default)
[personal profile] teddywolf
I'm not going to touch Gaza right now because that would be an even bigger flamewar, but I am annoyed - yea, to the point of pissed off - with Hesbollah.

Israel left the Golan Heights and the rest of southern Lebanon. They completely withdrew. Their reason for staying in the Golan Heights was specifically because it was far too easy for missile strikes on Israel to be launched from there.

Hesbollah dashed into Israel - invaded, technically - kidnapped a soldier, and started firing a surprisingly large number of rockets at Israel. Apparently, they had some help from another country or two, like, oh, say, Syria and Iran. Many rockets fired, a number of casualties in Israel.

We know what Israel's response was: blockade the ports, wreck the main roads to Syria and make the airport unusable, as well as target some government buildings as they feel the government might have more sway than publicly reported (ie None). The reasons given: they do not want Hesbollah to take their soldier out of Lebanon, and they do not want Hesbollah to have easy access to resupply. Hesbollah talked about 'prisoner' exchange - the soldier for a goodly number of Hesbollah members in Israeli jails. This time, Israel refused. This is the first time I can think of where Israel flat-out refused such an exchange.

Oh, the reason I put prisoner in quotes? The Hesbollah prisoners in Israeli jails have been tried in a court of law, been found guilty in said court, and have been kept in jails. The kidnapped soldier has not been tried or convicted in a court of law and is not, to the best of anybody's knowledge who isn't holding him, in an official jail.

I initially thought that the Israeli response was too severe, as it was causing intense damage to infrastructure. I'm not as sure of that any more owing to the extremely provocative nature of Hesbollah's attack, the lack of Lebanese actions of any sort to rein in Hesbollah, and the stated reasons for why Israel is targeting what it is targeting.

Israel does not want to take over Lebanon. It wants its soldier back and wants Hesbollah to stop attacking.

If, say, Cuban nationalist terrorists* came into the US, kidnapped a US soldier, fired rockets into Florida, and demanded that the US release a large number of Cuban nationalist terrorists* in return for the US soldier, what do you think the US would do? What do you think the US should do?

*Yes, I know there has been no sign of Cuban nationalist terrorists. I am using these mythical beats for purpose of example.

All right, talk to me.

Date: 2006-07-18 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teddywolf.livejournal.com
Ask [livejournal.com profile] kahnman - Israel would be quite happy to give up fighting. It would be deliriously happy if there were no more regular suicide bomb runs hitting its streets.

Date: 2006-07-18 04:10 pm (UTC)
ext_32976: (Default)
From: [identity profile] twfarlan.livejournal.com
Oh, I'm willing to believe that there are plenty of Israelis who'd rather not be fighting at all, just like there are plenty of Lebanese and Palestinians who want the same thing. The problem is in getting to that goal. There are Israelis who just want to be left alone by their neighbors... and there are Israelis who don't want there to be any neighbors, especially not Arab ones. Similarly, there are Palestinians who'd be grateful to be left to live out their lives in peace. Some of them would be happy to just be left alone, others won't be happy until there is no Israel. The only reason I have more sympathy for the Palestinians over the Israelis is that the Palestinians are an occupied people, living on land that was taken from them and given to the Israelis.

Conversely, I don't have any sympathy for the Lebanese. They let this shit happen to them.

Profile

teddywolf: (Default)
teddywolf

November 2024

S M T W T F S
     12
3456789
1011 1213141516
17181920212223
24252627282930

Most Popular Tags

Style Credit

Expand Cut Tags

No cut tags
Page generated Mar. 28th, 2026 03:43 am
Powered by Dreamwidth Studios